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So what do we know? Absolutely great game. Bolton were utterly destroyed this afternoon and everybody's favourite ex Villa CB had a pretty poor game as did Zat Knight.
Big John was awesome and scored a superb solo goal but for me the very best player on the pitch by a mile was NRC. He completely ran the midfield and added that bite we so often miss.
Still I'm sure there is one poster who will rubbish this win. Cue.........
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| Great win agree on NRC H lost count how many times he got a foot in to break up Boltons play |
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wembley57er
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Perhaps Harry I am that man. Yes I thoroughly enjoyed the game, Carew obviously decided to play today and he was immense. Young being at RB gave Milner much more support and he has to keep his place. But and a big but what about Cuellar, asked to move position again, did he not play well and I believe lived up to my supposition that he has learned to play Premier League pace.
Yes I liked Hokey Cokey, he actually played farther up the pitch than Petrov, and showed he has the pace to recover a position if and when he has to, made some good interceptions. Sidwell desperately needs a goal, it will do his confidence the world of good.
Everyone played well, so why was I disappointed. Basically we have been fed the line about burn out and rotation. 4-1 up twenty minutes+ to go, Milner limps away from a tackle, looks over to the bench, what happens nothing! He limps around we then score a fifth. What happens then, off comes Milner, 10 minutes late IMO, being replaced by Fonz. He goes up front, Gabby to the wing, why why why; Albrighton was there a natural winger why not bring him on?
Less than 5 minutes to go, on come Delph and Gardner, what did that prove, absolutely nothing, far too late.
We had the chance today, with no risk ,to give three youngsters 20/25 minutes on the pitch, we did not take, I really do not understand why. I may be doing my Victor Meldrew impression but I, and a few round me, were truly disappointed that a trick was missed.
Great win though!!!!! |
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villa1love
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57er , fair comments. I was well happy with luke and the link up play between him and jimmy milner was very good and will get better.
ashley young was good and gabby is improving.
Carews goal ,i dont think knight or the england centre back in waiting will want to see again. When it went in my first reaction wasto laugh that is the kind of defending that got them sold.
Im so glad i was wrong , as i predicted a 0-0 , but bolton are a poor team.
oh well off to turfmoor.UTV
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| Whereas I have been accused in the past of showing blind faith towards Mon and our progress, I believe that this result shows without doubt that when changes are forced upon him, we went into this match with a team that up until now wasn’t really tried. In a nutshell he would have used the old system, but look at what happened because of this scenario. The balance was there today however in heaps and bounds, something we haven’t witnessed for a long time (although we have pretty much showed the effort). In my opinion Petrov just doesn’t fit in. Individually he has outstanding performances at times, but in the grand scheme of things, he just doesn’t help balance the team. Is it a coincidence the Sidders was better today? Look what happens to Cuellar for a start? As fantastic as Collins has been, you’d have to say he will be lucky to walk straight back in. As is the case with Petrov, because what message will it send out if pure favouritism is shown time and time again. It just doesn’t put the right signal out. Finally, it was a brilliant gesture to hand NRC the armband. Today’s starting eleven should be rewarded with a display like that and start the next game unchanged!!!!!!!!!! Big John is a legend!!!!!! If we can totally dismantle Burnley, our season will look a lot healthier all of a sudden. |
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Rickmeister
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Much better from everybody today against an admittedly woeful Bolton.
Good to see Carew finally give 100% and he reaped the rewards.
NRC and Sidwell both deserve mentions too and neither deserve to be dropped for Petrov for the Burnley game.
Just as the West Ham game did not change my overall view of us, neither will today's perfomance.
A great result and a very good performance. Now we have to do this on a regular basis to achieve the consistency which we have lacked up to this point.
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Tonka
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Some very good performances from the players today. CC was fantastic and did not put a foot wrong.
NRC showed why he should be not only in the team but Captain, I like Petrov but we already have better so it will be very disappointing if MoN put Petrov straight back in, same to with Collins (straight back in, I mean).
At last Carew put in a good game, I was getting worried that he had lost it, he looked almost back to his best.
It was also good to see Luke Young back, he looked his usual solid self, why on earth MoN played Beye at West Ham when he had Luke fit I'll never understand, twice the player!!
The only thing for me was exactly what 57 said, Milner who worked his socks off again was injured and we have a very exciting replacement on the bench, give him a go the fans will back Albrighton and 20 odd minutes would have done him the world of good. I said the same thing when he brought on Gardner and Delph far too late.
All in all a good game to send us into another International break.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:51 am Post subject: |
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re not bringing players on early enough did you not stop to think it was for the reason that the players on the pitch needed to get off the mark with goal scoring to boost their confidence and thats why they were taken off?
Sidwell didnt look happy at all
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wembley57er
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| Paul wrote: | re not bringing players on early enough did you not stop to think it was for the reason that the players on the pitch needed to get off the mark with goal scoring to boost their confidence and thats why they were taken off?
Sidwell didnt look happy at all |
With the greatest respect Pau surely this goes against your own argument? Also, I always stop and think and from my reading of Tonka's postings, I believe he does also, before putting my opinion into the public arena. I believe when a team is 4-1 or 5-1 in the lead, and the manager has gone on record that he wants rotation so as to avoid the burnout that he attributes our falling away last season to, and he has untried players on the bench that need testing in a real match situation, then such a position in a match had arrived and should have been taken advantage of.
This is what I thought before posting. Perhaps Paul you could explain your own reasoning because I cannot follow it. You say they need more goals but you the say that is why they are to come off. how does this increase their confidence. Perversely, did you stop to think ,before posting this comment? When would you suggest MON tries out other prospective players, in real life situations, if when we are in a position where we cannot lose, is not the right time? |
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Boz
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| wembley57er wrote: | Perhaps Harry I am that man. Yes I thoroughly enjoyed the game, Carew obviously decided to play today and he was immense. Young being at RB gave Milner much more support and he has to keep his place. But and a big but what about Cuellar, asked to move position again, did he not play well and I believe lived up to my supposition that he has learned to play Premier League pace.
Yes I liked Hokey Cokey, he actually played farther up the pitch than Petrov, and showed he has the pace to recover a position if and when he has to, made some good interceptions. Sidwell desperately needs a goal, it will do his confidence the world of good.
Everyone played well, so why was I disappointed. Basically we have been fed the line about burn out and rotation. 4-1 up twenty minutes+ to go, Milner limps away from a tackle, looks over to the bench, what happens nothing! He limps around we then score a fifth. What happens then, off comes Milner, 10 minutes late IMO, being replaced by Fonz. He goes up front, Gabby to the wing, why why why; Albrighton was there a natural winger why not bring him on?
Less than 5 minutes to go, on come Delph and Gardner, what did that prove, absolutely nothing, far too late.
We had the chance today, with no risk ,to give three youngsters 20/25 minutes on the pitch, we did not take, I really do not understand why. I may be doing my Victor Meldrew impression but I, and a few round me, were truly disappointed that a trick was missed.
Great win though!!!!! |
Totally agree 57er. Perfect opportunity to play Albrighton and also give Delph a longer time on the pitch. MON's substitutions continue to confuse me. I assume, as he knows what's what with the players he has his reasons on players and timing, but it's confusing to fans.
Poor Bolton side, but for once we took advantage.
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forevaavillan1
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Well there's a turn up for the books. 5 goals scored by 5 differnt players. For me the team look more balanced with Coker in midfield and so more so than when Petrov plays also good to see Young back adding support when Milner moved forward.
I wouldn't say that was our best display by a country mile, and there is still a lot for Mon to work on but some times its just the result that counts, Bolton were poor and we bossed the game, I for one don't want to see Petrov playing the next time the team run out, and Young needs to keep his place at right back.
Nice to actually see Mon bring some of the youngsters on with ten to go, but I thought it a strange one to take Millner off and replace with the Fonz when we have a natural right sided player sitting on the bench Albrighton, I bet the kid wonders just what he has to do to get on the pitch, hopefully the taste of first team action for a couple of the youngsters will mean that we will start to see more of them in the future.
All in all a great result from an ok display, and this will hopefully get us back on track
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Paul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| wembley57er wrote: | | Paul wrote: | re not bringing players on early enough did you not stop to think it was for the reason that the players on the pitch needed to get off the mark with goal scoring to boost their confidence and thats why they were taken off?
Sidwell didnt look happy at all |
With the greatest respect Pau surely this goes against your own argument? Also, I always stop and think and from my reading of Tonka's postings, I believe he does also, before putting my opinion into the public arena. I believe when a team is 4-1 or 5-1 in the lead, and the manager has gone on record that he wants rotation so as to avoid the burnout that he attributes our falling away last season to, and he has untried players on the bench that need testing in a real match situation, then such a position in a match had arrived and should have been taken advantage of.
This is what I thought before posting. Perhaps Paul you could explain your own reasoning because I cannot follow it. You say they need more goals but you the say that is why they are to come off. how does this increase their confidence. Perversely, did you stop to think ,before posting this comment? When would you suggest MON tries out other prospective players, in real life situations, if when we are in a position where we cannot lose, is not the right time? |
How hard is it to understand the players were left on late so they could get in the goals too? Then when it was getting really late in the game he chucks on a couple of players for a run out?
Im not posting here again if posters cant get past the simple missing nt off the end of were 
Seriously guys you need to up the quality on this website and boot off those couple of idiots
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canzy77
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| Boz wrote: | | wembley57er wrote: | Perhaps Harry I am that man. Yes I thoroughly enjoyed the game, Carew obviously decided to play today and he was immense. Young being at RB gave Milner much more support and he has to keep his place. But and a big but what about Cuellar, asked to move position again, did he not play well and I believe lived up to my supposition that he has learned to play Premier League pace.
Yes I liked Hokey Cokey, he actually played farther up the pitch than Petrov, and showed he has the pace to recover a position if and when he has to, made some good interceptions. Sidwell desperately needs a goal, it will do his confidence the world of good.
Everyone played well, so why was I disappointed. Basically we have been fed the line about burn out and rotation. 4-1 up twenty minutes+ to go, Milner limps away from a tackle, looks over to the bench, what happens nothing! He limps around we then score a fifth. What happens then, off comes Milner, 10 minutes late IMO, being replaced by Fonz. He goes up front, Gabby to the wing, why why why; Albrighton was there a natural winger why not bring him on?
Less than 5 minutes to go, on come Delph and Gardner, what did that prove, absolutely nothing, far too late.
We had the chance today, with no risk ,to give three youngsters 20/25 minutes on the pitch, we did not take, I really do not understand why. I may be doing my Victor Meldrew impression but I, and a few round me, were truly disappointed that a trick was missed.
Great win though!!!!! |
Totally agree 57er. Perfect opportunity to play Albrighton and also give Delph a longer time on the pitch. MON's substitutions continue to confuse me. I assume, as he knows what's what with the players he has his reasons on players and timing, but it's confusing to fans.
Poor Bolton side, but for once we took advantage.
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I agree. The substitutions (or lack of) were the only negatives we can take from the game.
We didn't learn anything about Delph or Gardner as they had their trot out in the last 5 minutes. I thought we would see substitutions at 4-1 or even 3-1, given what MON has said in the past about rotating the team but obviously this doesn't matter too much to him.
Well done the Villa. We are a streaky team so let's hope this is the start if another good run. |
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wembley57er
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Paul wrote: | | wembley57er wrote: | | Paul wrote: | re not bringing players on early enough did you not stop to think it was for the reason that the players on the pitch needed to get off the mark with goal scoring to boost their confidence and thats why they were taken off?
Sidwell didnt look happy at all |
With the greatest respect Pau surely this goes against your own argument? Also, I always stop and think and from my reading of Tonka's postings, I believe he does also, before putting my opinion into the public arena. I believe when a team is 4-1 or 5-1 in the lead, and the manager has gone on record that he wants rotation so as to avoid the burnout that he attributes our falling away last season to, and he has untried players on the bench that need testing in a real match situation, then such a position in a match had arrived and should have been taken advantage of.
So Paul as one of the two idiots you wish to have thrown off the forum, perhaps I can work out where I have gone wrong.
This is what I thought before posting. Perhaps Paul you could explain your own reasoning because I cannot follow it. You say they need more goals but you the say that is why they are to come off. how does this increase their confidence. Perversely, did you stop to think ,before posting this comment? When would you suggest MON tries out other prospective players, in real life situations, if when we are in a position where we cannot lose, is not the right time? |
How hard is it to understand the players were left on late so they could get in the goals too? Then when it was getting really late in the game he chucks on a couple of players for a run out?
Im not posting here again if posters cant get past the simple missing nt off the end of were
Seriously guys you need to up the quality on this website and boot off those couple of idiots |
I put forward an opinion, one that seems to have been accepted by the majority.
This is not in accord with your views, so obviously according to you I did not think about it before I posted it, so it by your definition it must be wrong.
You post an opinion that is palpably wrong, due to not having thought about it beforehand, your critism of mine, but because you wrote it, it must be right.
However if we did not think it was right because of what it said, we should automatically read it as if it was right and rewrite it in our minds to correct what was wrong to make it right.
However should we have an opinion that differs from your opinion then we must consider, that as we are idiots and therefore should be ejected from the forum, to allow your wrongly written and presented opinions to be right, as that it what you meant to say, although you got the wording wrong. Glad I got that right then. Always liked Yes Prime Minister, it could be one of its scripts!
Finally having thought this through, and your obvious reticence to answer my question on how and when bench players should play perhaps you could explain your opinion that players were left on to give them the opportunity to score more goals.
We already had five with 19 minutes to go, every forward player had scored, Sidwell had had two excellent chances, and NRC could not ever get so close to the goal without giving the ball to the opposition. Cuellar had scored his first goal, so he would have been quite elated, Dunn is one of our leading goalscorers, so that leaves Warnock and L Young; I assume MON , even though he does make players play in some strange positions to them, would never bring on Guzan, and stick Friedel up front!
I happen to believe there was more mileage in taking the opportunity to blood the youngsters and give our established "stars" a rest, in line with the stated opinion (I hope he thought about it beforehand) of MON, which also seems to include the mantra that the youngsters would be given their chance when such an opportunity occurred.
Paul, you have over the months made some good telling points, many of which I agreed with, however this is a Forum and if someone disagrees with you they are not automatically wrong, they may, almost certainly will have thought about what they have written, and if you disagree that does not make them idiots who should be ejected. You have threatened on several occasions to do a runner, we dont want to lose you, so dont become the Drogba of the Forum, as after a while most of us ,like his teamates, will ignore your cries of the wolf! |
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Harry
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| wembley57er wrote: | Perhaps Harry I am that man. Yes I thoroughly enjoyed the game, Carew obviously decided to play today and he was immense. Young being at RB gave Milner much more support and he has to keep his place. But and a big but what about Cuellar, asked to move position again, did he not play well and I believe lived up to my supposition that he has learned to play Premier League pace.
Yes I liked Hokey Cokey, he actually played farther up the pitch than Petrov, and showed he has the pace to recover a position if and when he has to, made some good interceptions. Sidwell desperately needs a goal, it will do his confidence the world of good.
Everyone played well, so why was I disappointed. Basically we have been fed the line about burn out and rotation. 4-1 up twenty minutes+ to go, Milner limps away from a tackle, looks over to the bench, what happens nothing! He limps around we then score a fifth. What happens then, off comes Milner, 10 minutes late IMO, being replaced by Fonz. He goes up front, Gabby to the wing, why why why; Albrighton was there a natural winger why not bring him on?
Less than 5 minutes to go, on come Delph and Gardner, what did that prove, absolutely nothing, far too late.
We had the chance today, with no risk ,to give three youngsters 20/25 minutes on the pitch, we did not take, I really do not understand why. I may be doing my Victor Meldrew impression but I, and a few round me, were truly disappointed that a trick was missed.
Great win though!!!!! |
Wembley that's probably a pretty fair shout. I too failed to see the point of bring the Fonz on rather than Albrighton who could have been given say 20 minutes. Mind you given our ability to leak goals at the back end of games I don't blame MON for waiting and waiting before putting the subs on. But I agree it would have been good to see some of the younger players on for the last 20 minutes.
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